back up pump

[ttl]

A project manager came to visit our basement and he recommended a complete Grate system with one AC pump. However, for the back up pump, he recommended the Wayne bsp25 (for over a thousand dollars!). I asked him about the PHCC Pro back up pump and he quote me $2200 just for the pump (with two batteries). I was shocked at the price, but he seemed unwilling to give me more options.

The price of the PHCC seems more expensive than I saw from other posts of the forum. Why do I need two batteries for the pump?

Can I get a 2nd AC pump as a back up, since power failure is rare in my area? What is the cost for that?

[JacobPM]

Well the pricing is based on the performance of the pumps, their power, and the technology behind it. It's all based on what is given to us by the Manufacture of those pumps.

The PHC 2400 pumps 2400 gal/hour. The 2 batteries give you up to 15 hours of continuous pumping protection. Even if power outages are rare, the pump can act as a back up, dealing with volume that your AC pump can't handle, even when the lights are on. It also has a range of features that set it apart from the Wayne such as: the ability to sound an alarm when functioning, the ability to be connected to your home alarm system to send status to a monitoring system while you're away, a built in monitoring system that can diagnose the pump which can save you money on service calls, and more battery power to give you extra piece of mind in stormy weather.

But don't' get me wrong, the Wayne system is a good system too, but because of it's power rating and the number of batteries it comes with (1) it's less money to supply AND install. Remember all prices include installing the pump as well...not just the pump itself.

If you'd like to change your proposal to only include 2 AC pumps, that's not a problem. You can call your Project Manager directly and speak with him about changing the products for your project.

We always recommend to every customer that they have a battery back up sump pump installed, however if feel that a 2nd pump, for less money, for the time being makes sense...we can do that for you too. We can upgrade you later if you feel it's necessary.

I hope that answers your questions. Again, call your project manager, discuss the pros and cons (our PMs are rather busy and sometimes don't have the time to get into very detailed conversations in comparing options..but that happens rarely) of the systems. If you've misplaced your Project Managers number we can give it to you by calling: 1-800-649-6140

[ttl]

I am wondering what primary and backup pumps pioneer install for their customers.

The PM basically only gave me two options. Although I have asked repeated for more choices of pumps, he said these are the choices (he did give a ridiculous price quote for one pump that I asked for).

This sounds like a salesman trying to push a certain product to customers.

[JacobPM]

We basically carry two styles of Pumps: Single pumps and then Combo unit called the Grate Sump Z.

The single pumps are a Pro Series Pump which comes in 4 sizes: 1/3hp, 1/2hp, and Full HP (horse power) as well as the PHC 2400 Battery Back up (2 batteries)

Other single pump options are Blue Angel pumps: BCAP 33 (1/3 HP), BCAP50 (1/2hp), the BSP 25 (battery back up, 1 batteryX40amp, 12v), and the BSP45(battery back up, 2 batteriesX100amp, 24 volt)

The Grate Sump Z combo unit comes with both a primary and a battery backup located in 1 Grate Sump. This comes with Blue Angel Pumps installed.

If you have limited space to place a pump in a low area of the basement the Grate Sump Z is recommended. If there is more room for more pumps (or if more pumps are needed due to volume or the description of the volume you receive) then Multiple Grate Sumps can be linked together to house a series of sump pumps.

We have 6 Standard Pump packages, and 3 Battery Back up packages. Each includes a Grate Sump, the Pump, and whatever features that pump has. So 9 Various choices, with different grade pumps and different grade features. Remember, all prices include install.

If the Project Manager feels that there is a particular pump that fits your situation better, he'll recommend that pump - If you install a weaker pump you have the chance of flooding, and all his job is, is to make sure that you're basement is as well protected as you need/want it to be.

[JacobPM]

Side note: If you feel you need more information about our pumps, the warranties, and the features of the pumps, you can also call our Service Department - simply ask for it when you call our 1-800-649-6140 number.

[Floodworthy]

ttl,
A quick web search shows the Wayne BSP25 retails for $265 (best price at King Pumps), while the Wayne ESP25, which is exactly the same pump, can be purchased for 219.99 at amazon.com. I'm certain the $1000 you were quoted must be in error or probably includes installation. I hope you got the configuration that works for you!

FW

[stevea]

That is right the BSP25 can be purchased online. That price does not include the battery. Some contractors use a small cheap battery just to sell you something. Pioneer's price includes the price of the pump, charger, battery, piping, fittings, installation, 3 year warranty on labor and parts.

[autod82]

You could always have a plumber come in and install a water backup on your current pump. As long as you pay your water bill, you'll have a backup. Basically it uses the natural pressure in your water lines to relieve the water in the crock. I'm not an expert on it, but if you never have to worry about batteries going dead, this sounds like a good way to go. It will probably be 6-700 dollars for every 30 -40 ft that your sump is away from the main water line entering the home.

[stevea]

I do not recommend water powered back up pumps. I have two major concerns that keep me from doing so.
1) wasting perfectly good water to power this type of back up pump, it takes many gallons of water to pump a gallon of ground water.
2) The average sump pump will move 2000-3000 gallons an hour even the best water powered back up will only pump 600-800 gallons an hour

That being said, I am a strong advocate of "doing something to make your basement healthier is better than doing nothing."

[jimalan]

I am wondering what primary and backup pumps pioneer install for their customers.

The PM basically only gave me two options. Although I have asked repeated for more choices of pumps, he said these are the choices (he did give a ridiculous price quote for one pump that I asked for).

This sounds like a salesman trying to push a certain product to customers.

The price is a little high! The salesman won't help you give more options, you can ask another salesman or try to search it on internet, maybe it can help you! :)

[stevea]

Pioneer Basement offers several different primary pump options. We have the Pro Series Line which has all the bells and whistles - alarms, dual switches and able to hook up to home security system to alarm if something is wrong with the pump. We also have the Blue Angel Line which are commercial quality pumps that we find to be dependable. We also allow our customers another choice with Champion Pumps another pump we consider a workhorse.

As far as Battery back up pumps we offer the Pro Series PHCC 2400 as our favorite battery back up system with a 3 year warranty. We also offer the Blue Angel BSP25 which has a 2 year warranty and a 24 volt system called the BSP45 which has a 3 year warranty.

When people say our prices are high, I would like to remind everyone that Pioneer Basement has a full Service Department. We warranty not only the pump (materials) but also any labor while the pump is under warranty. In the end smart consumers understand you get what you pay for. Pioneer has been in business for 27 years- it can't have the reputation it has if we used pumps that don't work.

[pioneer fan]

We have a primary Zoeller pump in the pit and a Zoeller 507 battery back up ...both installed by Pioneer a while back.

Looking for an additional battery to the system for better protection during an extended outage.

What do you recommend and what is the cost, installed?

[stevea]

Pioneer has different batteries to choose from. Please call our office and speak to Mike Oliveira for choices and pricing. Office number 508 674 5121
Thanks for choosing Pioneer for your healthy basement living space. :)

[xcfrrdvd]

Can I get a 2nd AC pump as a back up, since power failure is rare in my area? What is the cost for that?





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[Mikeopbw]

Yes you can get another primary pump to serve as a back up in-case your existing primary fails. Be aware that will not help you if you lose power. I understand you don't lose power often but with the weather being the way it has been lately I would not take that chance.

The cost of the pump would depend on what model and size of the pump you want. Your looking at between 4-600 depending on what pump you go with. That price does include installation, parts, and warranty on parts and labor. The length of the warranty depends on the pump you choose. They typically range from 18 months to 3 years. Hope this helped!



Mike O
Pioneer Basement